|The View: Paula Faris and Jack Phillips|
Over the next six to nine months we can expect to hear much from Jack Phillips. Alliance Defending Freedom believes that his case can be won in the court of public opinion. In 2012, Phillips owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, Colorado, refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, Dave Mullins and Charlie Craig in defiance of the state’s nondiscrimination law.
In 2014 the Colorado Civil Rights Commission found Phillips guilty of discrimination. In August, 2015 the Colorado Court of Appeals upheld the Commission’s ruling. In April, 2016 the Colorado Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal. In July, 2016, Phillips appealed to the United States Supreme Court. A year later the Court agreed to hear the case.
On June 28, Phillips was a guest on the television show, The View. I did not see the show (I watch very little broadcast TV). However, portions have been widely reported. The following are not necessarily in the order that they occurred.
I serve everybody all the time but I don’t make every cake for every event that’s required. It’s a difficult thing to be in my position and know that somebody is requesting something that I can’t in good conscience do.
Poor him. Life is tough for someone so judgmental. Either Phillips or his lawyers have frequently stated that h also declines orders to make “adult-themed” cakes, Halloween cakes, anti-American cakes and any cake that would “disparage somebody.”
- Mr. Phillips, you have stated that you don’t make Halloween cakes. Is there any law that you are aware of that requires you to make Halloween cakes?
- But according to the Colorado courts, there is a law requiring you to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple, right?
- When you say that you serve everyone all the time are you implying that you serve gay people? How would you know?
I believe the Bible clearly teaches marriage is between one man and one woman. I’m not judging these two gay men who came in. I’m just trying to preserve my right as an artist to decide which artistic endeavors I’m going to do and which one’s I’m not.
- Are you saying that the law does not apply to you because you believe that you are an artist?
- You say that you are not judging these two men but you are judging the validity of their marriage. How is that not judging them?
- Do you approve of gay people?
- A few blocks from you perhaps there is another cake shop whose owner believes that Christian women are obligated to marry only Christian men. Does he have the right to turn down an order for a wedding cake for an inter-religious marriage?
I could go on but you get the idea.
Phillips’ lawyers can expect some tough questioning in oral arguments relating to what constitutes artistry. Is the guy who makes a perfect martini a mixology artist? Any question suitable for the The View is just going to be teeing up a softball that Phillips’ lawyers have prepared him for.
The View co-host Paula Faris, reportedly a conservative Christian, asked Phillips what he thought Jesus would have done in his situation.
Would Jesus have made the cake? I don’t believe he would have because that would have contradicted the rest of the biblical teaching. I don’t believe that Jesus would have made the cake if He had been a baker.
I am not a biblical scholar but according to Matthew 22:21, Jesus said “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s.” Also, Romans 13:1 “Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God.” Doesn’t that mean that people of faith are expected to obey the law?
These two gentlemen are welcome in my store today, they’re welcome in my store every day — I welcome everybody that comes in. I don’t make every cake for every event.
Do you think that they would feel welcome?
What Phillips is saying, in essence, is that he is happy to take anyone’s money. However, he does not approve of gay people or their weddings. A bigot, someone no better than a Klansman, is now getting the privilege of having his case heard by the Supreme Court.